This is an opinion blog. My opinions can be taken with a grain of salt, if you so desire. However, as is obvious, I like to use a lot of screenshots of publicly available images, which are used under Fair Dealing.
I like evidence. I like it a lot. And, I like evidence to remain even after it has been removed by those who hide things in retrospect. Many of these publicly available images are taken from public Facebook posts.
As per Facebook user agreements, you allow anyone to use your public posts in any manner they wish, just by signing into Facebook. If you don’t like it, go private, or leave Facebook.
I will sometimes present information from a private forum, but, only in the public interest.
I am not a health care professional. I am not a scientist. I rely heavily on them, and their evidence. I am an average schmuck who dislikes the hypocrisy, lack of empathy, lack of integrity, lack of ethics, and lack of evidence by those who would want you to believe them to be devoid of those traits. And I dislike it when they do it for your hard-earned, and to the detriment of public health.
I live in a rented house. I drive a crap car. The Big Pharma cheques just aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.
If you comment, know this: any anti-vaccine lies, or other related offensive and conspiratorial comments, shall not pass.
If you make unfounded statements about good people, you shall not pass.
I may or may not use any comment you make, whether published or not – made in this blog, or in email, or anywhere on the internet – in any future post; or just to point and laugh, on Twitter and Facebook.
If you want to contact me, or leave me a lovely testimonial, send it to:
reasonablehank [at] gmail [dot] com
Some people have difficulty investigating me. They wonder who I am. They guess at my real name, even though it is included on this page in various forms 38 times (at last count – sigh):
Some nicer compliments of myself include the following testimonials, and these death threats against me and my family, from Frank (Francisco, Cisco, Frankie, Dolmio and/or Joseph) Vazquez:
Your a fucing dead man walking cunt – Frankie Vazquez: supporter of Meryl Dorey and the Australian Vaccination Network; supporter of Stephanie Messenger; supporter of Sherri Tenpenny; supporter of Mark Aldridge, serial electoral try-hard; supporter of Ann Bressington, South Australian member of parliament. Father of a young baby:
I’m coming to your house and I’m gonna kill your whole family – Frankie Vazquez.
Go Fuk yaself big pharma ass licking mut – Frankie Vazquez:
guess what cunt, i found where you live 🙂 – Phill McKrackin: anonymous Adelaide alternate health supporter:
Reasonable Hank = Ken McLeod – Stuart Everson
Peter Tierney = Peter Bowditch – Stuart Everson
I don’t think anyone cares what Peter Tierney thinks, he’s just a payed shill working for the government – Ian Hastings AKA Ian Smith: multiple conspiracy theorist (anti-vaccine, moon landing hoaxer, 9/11 Truth, anti-fluoride, MLK, JFK, chemtrails), formerly of Adelaide. Now resides in Sydney; Sydney anti-vaccine protest sound equipment provider; abuser of bereaved parents.
Peter Tierny is a fake profile you stole from some lawyer in NSW, you work for the government and have ties to the Murdoch reporters, you are what is loosely described as a social engineer – Ian Hastings: posting as admin on No Fluoride Australia.
Hank is a fucking piece of shit wanker and a pussy. If he had any backbone he would come out and let people know who he is – Bernie Smith: fake account set up by Melbourne admins of Unvaccinated Australia group to create The Unreasonable Wank Facebook page.
Says the anonymous keyboard warrior Reasonable Hank. Talk about having the courage of your convictions. Meow!– Brett Smith: naturopath at La Diosa Natural Health, Beauty and Well Being Clinic Neutral Bay NSW; sexist anti-vaccine thug; spokesman for the Australian anti-vaccination movement; seen here, on Twitter, sharing laughs with the Holland/Johnson troll who has been vilifying bereaved families for the last six years:
Reading Reasonable Hank is like falling out that hollowed out turd & having only a Bowditch pap smear as a floating device – Brett Smith:
your a fucking loser mocking chiros, sorry remind me again how many lives you have changed? Oh none…. Cunt – Nicholas of Melbourne: defender of Australian chiropractic; Tweet.
By the sounds of not so reasonable hank and various others here, this ought to be called the Adolf Hitler blog – Klaus: Second World War historian; blog comment.
PETER TIERNEY IS A LYING MARXIST – Chris Savage: ex-Queensland police officer; ex-One Nation Party candidate; anti-Semite; white supremacist; anti-vaccine; chemtrailer; seller of home-made, backyard magnesium IV kits:
REASONABLE WANK. FASCIST – Eugene Donnini: poet (no, really):
ur mother is a good fuck – Christopher McCarty: white supremacist friend of former Queensland Police Service Sergeant Chris Savage.
turd – Christopher McCarty.
suck my cock – Christopher McCarty:
…after much research & speaking to the people who have argued with him on Twitter & FB. He is a massive drunk & late at night makes mistakes by answering in different identities! – Lo Mong Bridge: anti-vaccination activist who vilified a bereaved mum.
The public needs to see he is pretending to be a concerned citizen when, really he is paid by pharma to sit there all day & night to attempt to tear people’s reputation & livelihoods apart. I reckon down with this loony! – Lo Mong Bridge.
Hanks won Skeptics of the year in 2004. He said in an article that he wasn’t able to go but Ken McLeod went to collect on his behalf. From what others have said, they were arguing on thread posts with Hanks, & then Ken McLeod jutted in answering back on the same subject. So I reckon this guy is actually Ken McLeod! Peter Tierney is just another cover up name – Lo Mong Bridge.
Got us [Got youse]
U evil twisted son of a cunt enjoy looking over Your shoulder 24\7 cunt
Your poor wife – Frank Vazquez:
Hanks has slandered so many professionals, a lot in the chiropractic industry. He even slandered one chiropractor for making a hospital visit to treat her friend! And said she must step down from her chiropractic association. What a nasty piece of works he is! He has tried to defame so many, I was thinking it would be best that we all work collaboratively to bring him down. Renata Bialkowska has a WordPress blog set up specifically for this purpose. She is happy to upload anyones’ written piece against Hanks to set the record straight – Lo Mong Bridge.
fight me you bitch, you actually think vaccines work…you whipped little bitch don’t you realise it about money? – Nicholas of Melbourne.
The head of that Stop AVN snake is called Peter Tierney aka reasonable hank who is a committed marxist hate monger and I love calling that devil out from his den and taunting him – Chris Savage:
you deserve bomb threats for writing unreasonable wank blogs peter – Stuart Everson: Tenpenny, Messenger, and AVN supporter; published on Tenpenny’s Facebook page, on a post claiming provax people are violent “terrorists”:
whoever wrote this is clearly a loser…I swear if I were to meet you in real life a slap in the face would be the first thing I’d do to you, you pretentious bitch…keep being so medical and synthetic minded, and when you have cancer I’ll be laughing! Because people like you believe that there is no cure! Ha…Seriously, radiation! How the fuck is that supposed to heal you? It doesn’t dumb ass, the chances of chemo healing you is the same as winning the lottery, so don’t even bother you stupid woman. – Nicholas of Melbourne.
Type in my name in Google and reasonable Hank, yes I’ve had run ins with the prick. He tried (.unsuccessfully) to get me fired – Joanne Howard: anti-vaccine RN/midwife; I did make a complaint about Howard. Nowhere did I ask for her to be fired.
Haha the reasonable knob – Taleen Young: owner of The Cosmetic Kitchen Newtown; makes vile, conspiracy accusations against a bereaved mother.
He is a piece of filth.. have no other description for this worm. Totally void of any humane aspects. He is one of the professional shills/Big Pharma gang/depopulation gang. Sometimes I think Karma is late at visiting some who have some karma due – Johanna Krynen: South Australia; all-round conspiracy theorist.
He tried to discredit me too. He is a sleaze bag – Kate Smith: life and business partner of Health Space Clinics chiropractor, Adrian Dennewald.
He should change his name to Unreasonable Hank – Loloma Viti: anti-vaccinationist.
Someone told me reasonable Hank is an air-traffic controller – Kate Smith.
So McLeod, founder of stop the avn, seems to be hank and Tierney. Hank won a sceptics award and Tierney accepted on his behalf, jokes were made about them never being seen together. It’d be safe to assume that with all of the twisted units in savn, it’s likely that a few of them post under Tierney and hank though.
May you all show these guys no more respect than they do us. And to their trolls in this group, get a life. May karma return your malicious behaviour tenfold – Trent Wiseman: anti-vaccination activist.
If I werent a Christian, I would be calling him an Ar#$ehole and a Stupid C@#t. Considering I am now, I will refrain – Anna Hunja Halenuik: Melbourne Christian; conspiracy theorist.
Having been aware of this Hank for quite a few years now, he is the rudest, most obnoxious piece of filth of a reporter you will ever come across – Johanna Krynen.
U fuking cunt we are onto you enjoy your life you big pharma ass licker
Everyone knows about you you dirty vaccine creature of evil– Frankie Vazquez.
Go and fuk yourself you fuking piece of shit cunt– Frankie Vazquez:
Peter Tierney is a dog and a liar. Eventually his karma will catch up with him and every wrong he has perpetrated on humanity will come crashing down on him. May it happen sooner than later – Patricia Dow: Victorian anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist.
I do think he is an agent – Doug Kizerian: Arizona conspiracy theorist.
This Hank fueling the pro vax movement here in Australia, stopped Dr. Tenpenny from being allowed coming to Australia for her holidays. Dr.Tenpenny was invited to give a few presentations during her holiday to educate people on vaccines.
This Hank is directly responsible for many lives – Johanna Krynen.
Has anyone ever seen this reasonable Hank in person? – Kate Smith.
Psychopath wanker is the real name of its website – Peter Angel: anti-vaccine activist and conspiracy theorist:
I think we need to target an individual profile like Peter tierney– Belgin Sila Colak: Sydney anti-vaccine protest organiser; discussing having my Facebook account dishonestly shut down because they disagree with what I publish.
He’s a nutcase syco monster– Frankie Vazquez:
So, take the mask of Hank…. Put your name to your blog and come clean. Are you a competing medical practitioner? Perhaps you work for a pharma company. Perhaps the jilted ex lover of a chiropractor!!!! Let’s have honest and open debate, but let’s look each other in the eyes while we do it!!! Kind Regards S Adams – Steven Adams: commenter.
Hello Coward, would you like to catch up some time to discuss your illegal activities?– Luke E Lawless: internet warrior; conspiracy theorist; real name Luke O’Hehir; runs his own IT services business which he keeps very separate from his anti-social activities:
Unreasonable WANK. Creepy old man who lurks in mums groups spying from behind his computer.
He even had the nerve to claim he had received death threats etc in Australian Dr…he has multiple fake profiles…Old fuckin freak…Skanky wanky can’t even use his real name on fb One would ask what PETER is hiding Bet he sits there flogging off the old prick – Courtney Hebberman: administrator of Vaccine Free Australia; spokesperson for the anti-vaccination movement; exclusively used the fake name “Phoolan Devi” until forced to use her real name, by Facebook; has multiple Facebook profiles.
He’s a psychopath, pathological liar & criminal – Peter Angel: anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist.
Unreasonable Wank – Anita Bugges: AVN veteran; Argowan Stud dog breeder.
Old man skanky wanky – Courtney Hebberman:
So I wonder if PT would mind me sharing this post with Centrelink. He’s earning income and presumably declaring it, so I don’t think he’d have a problem with that, do you? – Liz Hempel: accusing me of benefits fraud with a threat to make a false report to Centrelink.
RH is a particularly loathsome little man – Anita Bugges.
Reasonable Hank is greatly loved by psychopaths, baby poisoners and philosophy academics who say they would fail any student that disagreed with them on any topic. You may as well be upset about not being loved by the KKK – Tristan Wells: not a professor.
Link me I kill them – Dolmio Chozenone Vazquez (Frankie Vazquez):
Reasonable hank is nothing but a pathetic troll excuse for a human being – Debra LynCraft.
His drivel is so full of vitriol and hatred. Makes one wonder what sort of childhood he had and also how many keyboards he has gone through bashing out his poisonous vomit. He is definitely a pHarmaceutical grade troll…. – Debra LynCraft:
reasonablehank is nothing but a vitriolic brainless pharma shill. He would make his own mother (if he had one) look evil if it suited his agenda. Don’t waste your energy reading his crap – Debra LynCraft.
I don’t make threats bozo. I make promises. If I’m going to report someone to Centrelink, I will do it. – Liz Hempel: accusing me of benefits fraud with a threat to make a false report to Centrelink.
Tierney is a troll. Most likely, he is paid to do what he does – otherwise, he could not be doing it full-time as he is. – Meryl Dorey: anti-vaccination zealot; vilifier of grieving families; public officer of the discredited Australian Vaccination-skeptics Network; former president of the AVN; incites violence and threats against her critics.
Is Peter Tierney the devil incarnate? Notice the emotive language. Demagogue behaviour. – Derek M Brown: anti-vaccine fundamentalist christian and creationist; supporter of the AVN; admin of Health Doesn’t Come In a Needle Facebook page; and former nurse:
He lies. He joins groups under false names in order to spy on people who oppose medical tyranny. He threatens others and truly he should not be allowed to do the things he does. – Meryl Dorey.
It’s a lying hypocrite with the initials of PT. A lying hypocrite who sits on his fat backside all day bludging using tax payers money, while he holds the other hand out for his shilling pennies.
You spend just about every waking hour on FB and twitter. You are a joke, your blog is a joke and you’re a lousy excuse for a parent. If you care so much about kids, then start by spending a little time with your own. – Liz Hempel.
In a civil society, people like Tierney would be in prison. – Meryl Dorey.
I don’t give a WHank that you won’t pass my comments, idiot, I an content enough just to have you read it & know that you are really, really dumb – Anonymous fan.
I’ve had Unreasonable Blank blocked for a long time – Meryl Dorey.
Hank is a real wank, yes? – Liz Hempel: comment on her antivax page.
You are ungracious sack of snot – Liz Hempel.
Rave on Hank, you witless wanker – Liz Hempel.
Reasonable Jerk – Liz Hempel.
Hank is officially the biggest hypocrite alive. At least the ‘rabid idiotic fringe dweller’ has never pretended to be someone’s friend in order to stalk them via FB.
That’s something a true nutcase would do. – Liz Hempel.
if you google that idiot who calls himself reasonable Hank, he has been sharing all over his blog that we will be marching on Sunday…Sounds like he is calling up opposition to stir up violence…he’s a pathetic excuse for a human being – Louisa Kenzig AKA Lulu Langford and Veritas Alethia: deregistered enrolled nurse; Perth-based conspiracy theorist; callous unregistered, alternative health therapist.
I’m not worried. He will not even make it. He is a keyboard warrior – No Jab No Play Protest anonymous Facebook page administrator.
Who is this mysterious man trolling the internet, hacking peoples accounts, spreading bullshit ? – Ann Bressington follower.
reasonable Hank the midbrained wank, cant you hear the laughter pathetic little Peter pumpkin eater? – Michael Jensen: homeopath; cult leader; head of own basement-based naturopathic school; raconteur.
This guy’s a troll and a half! – Alfie Dimalanta: CAA Victoria Board Member; Point Cook Chiropractic.
this Hank person need to get a life – Anonymous life coach.
Hank is crazy – Anonymous basement-based psychiatrist.
He needs to masterbate more… Or less! There is definitely an imbalance somewhere – Tim Shakespeare: Life Rebel Chiropractic; formerly Healing Wave Chiropractic; ex-CAA NSW Board Member until dismissed for anti-vaccination hubris.
reasonable hank needs a reasonable wank..too much time on his hands – Luke Stone: Healing Wave & CAA chiropractor.
This guy reasonable wank probably slithers around hoping to get invited to the medical organisation christmas party – Paul Lawrence: CAA chiropractor; member of SA anti-vaccination group, VISA; equates immunisation to rape.
start posting on his blog by starting with “Hi Unreasonable Wank ..” or “Hi Ignorant Flogger …” – Tez Molloy: chiropractor; Life Chiropractic College West footy coach.
You are one of the TOTAL LOSERS. HANK THE WANK can’t stop it as has made him blind many years ago – Anonymous fan.
Your opinions are certainly “a grain of salt”. Less actually, more like a stinking turd – Anonymous fan.
You’re not really a big deal until Unreasonable Hank has written a story about you! – Tony Croke: Liberty Chiropractic; ex-CAA National Board Member, term cut short.
first class loser – Luke Stone.
he probably gets a small stipend from some medical organisation – Paul Lawrence.
Petey has really lost the plot. Check out how many piss-driven rants he has posted during the last 48 hours on his troll page. – Liz Hempel.
Is he Ken McLeod? – Simon King: Tweak Chiropractic & CAA chiropractor.
may be you are a perp to discredit you we all know about you imbosiles that destroy peoples lives – Ann Bressington follower.
Ithink your post on Ann Bressington was a disgrace .and most of the comments were pathetic dribble – Ann Bressington follower.
your an idiot. this page is ridiculous and farcical – Anonymous English Major.
Peter Tierney. Small town lawyer in Bega – Tony Croke.
And Plebisick deserves to die by way of fluoride poisoning, she is a piece of shit, just like you, limp dick – No Fluoride Australia Guy follower.
He isn’t that ‘reasonable’ after all is he… – Tim Shakespeare.
I used the f bomb cos you’re a cunt who won’t fucken listen – Twitter fan.
Speaking of ethics, you sir, are very ETHNOCENTRIC, thinking your ethics are Gods. World varies – Twitter fan Jem from the USA.
Great data, Many thanks. That is really interesting, You are an overly professional blogger. I have joined your feed and sit up for in quest of more of your fantastic post – Michael: Russian commenter.
Wow, fantastic weblog format! How lengthy have you ever been running a blog for? you made blogging glance easy – Dungeon Hunter 5: Eastern European commenter.
Peter Tierney (aka Reasonable (W)Hank…just remember, karma is a bitch and she’s got your number! – Senior Facebook page administrator of the Australian Vaccination Network, the courageous, anonymous B52: commenting under the official AVN account:
Really. You just can’t stay mad at that.
I have had the unfortunate pleasure of peering directly into the eyes of Reasonable Hank and can say with certainty I have stared down evil – Peter Tierney: okay, that was me, on the Melbourne anti-vaccine protest page. I got scooped up in their excitement:
There are many more. I probably won’t get around to adding them.
Again, if you want to contact me, or leave me a lovely testimonial, send it to:
reasonablehank [at] gmail [dot] com
Thanks for reading.
I heart Hank
It says it all when people can’t actually engage you in argument but chose to insult you or make accusations based upon their own depraved value system. Also, at least one needs to watch the Sesame Street episode bought to us by the Letter “U”
Your article is like a big tree, only different.
Well you had better stop it Hank, or you will go blind!
Your opinions are certainly “a grain of salt”. Less actually, more like a stinking turd.
Also, I like your articles, they are like a big tree, one which I can piss on & do a shit under, thanks for the shade. By the way, WANK, you don’t have an operating brain at all. You are one of the TOTAL LOSERS. HANK THE WANK can’t stop it as has made him blind many years ago. I don’t give a WHank that you won’t pass my comments, idiot, I an content enough just to have you read it & know that you are really, really dumb. I am a S.A. made man as well, & can see the total truth of everytthing Ann says. And Plebisick deserves to die by way of fluoride poisoning, she is a piece of shit, just like you, limp dick.
For the rebuttal of Trevor, your wank-mate’s, imbecile remarks:
“It says it all when people can’t actually engage you in argument but chose to insult you or make accusations based upon their own depraved value system. Also, at least one needs to watch the Sesame Street episode bought to us by the Letter “U””
1stly, you have earned every insult you get, there is nothing else to offer to wanks who can’t see, hear or speak of the evil as it has always existed. To you atheists, there is no such thing as evil, wrong, bad, etc. & when there is it is the opinions of others who expose that ‘thing’ you can’t see.
THIS WhANK BRAND MORON is just like you, neither of you can hear the other side of the debate, nor acknowledge the sources or their credibility as a source or as a fact. It is you lot who can’t engage in a debate because you can’t acknowledge anything outside your stupid bubble of COGNITIVE DISSONANCE TO TRUTH that you exist in. You’re pathetic & need to start using your brain rather than your arse to ‘think’ with.
As for Trevors “U” comment. This is as facile as any remark on the other side of the debate that you can’t engage in because you haven’t got the mental equipment for an accurate reflection of the real from the fictitious.
p.s. I say that Ann B is a good woman, cleaRly you can’t hear her at all, Like that political liar crap pile Plebisick, you too are a bad person who makes the unfounded statements about good people. YOU NEED TO WAKE UP PAL.
This is awesome. I’m using some of your testimonials.
One has to ponder the ad hominem attack as rationale for objection, then the moniker of the one posting the inanity worthy of a Chimpanzee.
One only is thankful for not being in person, lest one endure a scat throw.
Let’s try for a more rational, intellectual version:
Hank, you are a caca poopyhead.
You keep confusing the ISSUES with silly little things that don’t matter, like FACTS.
HoW dArE yOu?!
Or some other inane combination of uppercase and lowercase that somehow prove a point that none with three operational brain cells can grasp. 😉
Keep up the good work!
A lot OT:
If you know any Commonwealth medical legal eagles, there is a really active discussion regarding the fate of *all* diagnostic imagery on mediawiki. Even patient uploaded DICOM data is to be deleted if consensus isn’t arrived at.
The objector made the strange claim that the “x-ray technician owns the copyright to all imagery”. Interesting, as from my understanding of UK common law derivatives, it’s essentially the facility that owns or leases the equipment that owns the rights to the physical information, the result (imagery) seems to be variable in who owns it internationally (facility in many, patient in others, unknown in most).
If you know anyone who can further *real and legal* information and custom, the discussion is at:
I can’t even find case law or legislation on that for the US and I’m rather good at finding such.
Weird for a technology that is over a century old now.
Thanks to all for any input. Gotta run. My father is having a really bad dementia night.
Mr Hank i have had a bit of a run in with a grant bond chiropractor in shellharbour, if you are interested in what i have to say we should chat.
Hi David. I’m on reasonablehank at gmail dot com.
I thought that name was familiar
I mean just wow
Self- awareness really is a foreign concept to conservatives isn’t it. I mean I honestly thought this was high level meta satire for the first two paragraphs and then realised this bizarre stream of consciousness rant was, in the eyes of its author, a brilliantly written post that won him the argument
I mean just wow, it’s stunning and scary to think what it must be like to live inside that bizarre skull all day, every day 24/7. I can’t even bring myself to dislike the writer of this post, I feel a genuine sense of pity for the poor guy, to be so delusional must be some kind of evolutionary defense mechanism to stop him from killing himself
And the thing that makes it art is the poor guy, without any sense of irony at all labels himself ‘ thinking man’s man’ I mean….. That is just priceless
“COGNITIVE DISSONANCE TO TRUTH ‘ would be an excellent band name !
Dear Reasonable Hank,
Thankyou for achieving more in three months of blogs than John Reggars and thinking chiro’s with a brain have not been able to do in 20 years. If you question subluxation the vocal, passionate, blinkered minority accuse you of treason. The term was invented 100 years ago by the early chiro’s (who were practicing like orthopods) to differentiate themselves from doctors, so they would not be jailed for practicing medicine without a licence. It was legal smoke and mirrors that over time got set in concrete.
COCA proactively brought in policies on vaccination, risk management, continued education, practice audits, dialogue and joint conferences with physio’s, osteo’s, GP’s, specialists etc right from the outset. The CAA only change when someone shines a torch on them. They only react and are rarely proactive or show leadership. The ASRF is in the right position, at the right time, with the necessary resources to support the important and expensive large scale trials into the basics on spinal manipulative therapy that are required.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much, TC. I’m not sure the ASRF is going to repay your faith in them, unless they undergo an overhaul. They can begin by rejecting subluxations, and the anti-vaccinationists on their board.
Here here. As a fellow Chiro (much like thinking chiro above), I appreciate the logic and reasoning often absent with the vocal ‘leaders’ of our profession
I HOPE THE ASRF READ THIS AND DROP SUBLUXATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This post, by The Rogue Chiro, came out yesterday. It’s a bit of an eye opener into the ASRF’s lack of research, and lack of funding for research, given its income.
Hi Thinking Chiro and Hank if u read this could you please let me know your views on acupuncture?
20 years ago when I was 17 I had a trapped nerve in my back which made playing soccer almost impossible, we spent money on physio that didn’t help but then our Family GP who happened to be Chinese suggested acupuncture which he performed covered by medicare. After the 4 week course of treatment I was as good as new, he used the electrical current method where mini jumper leads pulsed electricity through the acupuncture needles
Strangely one of the things that gave me confidence in the treatment is that when I asked my doctor how it worked, his answer was
” well there’s lots of theories, but the honest answer is nobody really knows for sure how, we just know it works”
I have always wondered whether it was the acupuncture or whether it was just the 4 weeks rest that cured me, though to be fair my Dad had acupuncture on his back and at another time on his knee and both times it worked for him too
My faith in evidence and the scientific method makes me dubious on its effectiveness even when I had the personal experience of it helping me, it’s a tough position to be in intellectually
Could you advise what your view is on acupuncture and its effectiveness and does it pass muster
I don’t really have any views on acupuncture. I really just don’t know enough about it. There is certainly some physical intervention happening (there are needles being inserted into the body), but, I’m way out of my depth when opining on whether or not it has any effect beyond that of placebo treatment (as many do attest).
That’s such a great answer, one of the main things wrong with internet culture is everyone has an opinion on everything whether they know anything or not (thats the curse that afflicts most of the people you fight with on here)
So ‘I don’t know’ is the perfect answer
From what I’ve read, acupuncture was equally as effective as a placebo.
That said, the placebo effect is a very real and well documented phenomenon.
Dear Hank, I’m considering compiling a Woo Rating on my own blog for Australian universities by combing their websites. I’m keen to see a push at Government level to withhold Commonwealth funding from the worst offenders. Wanted to check whether it’s ground you’ve covered? Alternatively, you may want a “lead researcher”? Pls inbox me. JS
Hi Hank, have you encountered these loons? http://emergencecare.com/about_what.html Sick ’em! :-). (Love your work!)
I made it as far as “ancient wisdom”, in the first sentence and my printer started printing in tongues.
I got a little bit further, then my Scientology alarm went off.
It does sound a lot like Scientology. Only, a switch of the word for presence instead of one of the Scientology terms.
(Boy, do I *hate* using a capitol S for that, erm, faith!)
Its not chiropractic. The statement that had me scratching my head was ” Posture improves and spinal degeneration can reverse”. First time I have heard that. Facepalm!
Just doing a quick search –
Number of chiros in Oz – 4200
Number of chiros in CAA – 2700
Number of chiros in COCA – ??
Cheers. Found a 2013 one, via the CBA, which says 4399 total.
I think the CAA number might include CAA students, who are given free membership (I’ve only heard this, I’m not sure). I’m doubting they would return my emails. They haven’t in the past.
COCA would be very forthcoming if I asked. They are exactly the same as normal people.
David..your point would be? If you want to play the numbers game maybe we should discuss the number of medical practitioners with the AMA.
It’s all cool. I asked on Twitter if any chiros knew the chiro numbers for Australia, and for the associations. David had a look, and answered on here.
I am going to start using my twitter account before firing up 😦 Sorry David.
The answer to you number problem is in the CAA’s 2013 financial statements. Membership fees divided by cost of single membership. Member subscriptions for 2013 = $1,556,907. Membership 1st year grad $400, 2nd year grad $900, 3rd year onwards $1800. These are approximate figures as I have not had anything to do with the CAA for many, many years. If you average it at say $1200 that gives you a paying membership of approximately 1297. You may want to research this further to get accurate figures but it may give a general approximation. I tried to find COCA’s financial statements but had no luck, so a polite request would probably work. COCA membership is $390 and gives you everything that the CAA offers and more. Interesting. There is also a wealth of information on state membership etc Enjoy.
Pingback: The Congress of the Chiropractor – Dynamic Growth 2014 | reasonablehank
Hey, I only just discovered your testimonials page.
It should have a warning “Do not read whilst drinking your morning coffee lest you snort it out your nose”.
Why, I ask, mostly in jest, are people so rude?
I’ve resisted commenting here but enough is enough. Well done. I suspect that a good proportion of our profession are sick and tired of the unmitigated evangelism however I doubt people really understand what the primary problem is. I’ve spoken with collegues and friends who just can’t see the problem. Overwhelmingly everyone sees it as being someone else – medicine, pharmacy, collegues, when in fact we are all to blame. Even the moderates (and I will include current President Laurie Tassel) have no idea that the problem is a profession based in a disproven (back in the 18th century) dogma. Vitalism. But wait. Even the eminent Francis Collins (genome project and now head of NIH) is like Mr Tassel a devout Christian. My sister worked for missionary surgeons who prayed before reattaching female genitals. All professions have their issues, malpractices, etc. Yes however only one major health profession isn’t based in a culture of scientific rigour, methodology, sceptical enquiry and academic argument. Ours is the only one based in the idea that a magical life force is real. That’s it. Intelligent people subjugate themselves to science and decide that what is true is more important than liking ones beliefs. We prefer beliefs. No need to enquire. No need for research – unless you can make it fit. No need to diagnose (when it’s always the same problem – a lack of life). No need to argue just hold hands, sing and agree. No need to listen to symptoms or diagnose. And definitely NEVER EVER admit failure and lack of success in treating a,b,c (like we hear every second day from other professions) There’s nothing so warm and cosy as ignorance. Just don’t ever dissent and whatever you do don’t point out to friends that the emperor isn’t wearing any clothes. It doesn’t go well. I’ve rarely seen such selfishness from a profession. For all it’s problems medicine keeps changing, learning, investigating, improving. We stand aside and bleat then use their research and try to call it our own. Each month someone has made up a new fix all technique based on woo. It’s a disgrace. We could own the field of conservative management of spine related disorders but prefer wealth creation and practice building. Such a waste. Associating with misinformers, ejected from a university and still blaming others. Dissenters have tried to do something and have met with stonewalling and defamation. Thankyou for having the balls to confront blatant idiocy and drag us into the 21st century.
“There is no polite way to inform someone that they have lived their life in folly” (Dennett)
Well said, sir. You are not alone. In the minority amongst your peers, but, not alone.
In relpy to DS:
Have you thought about applying for the position of CEO of the CAA since McNamara just quit! They could use some critical self assessment and thinking that leads to change.
To the chiropractic “philosophers” in the comments section above, if you bother to look up what philosophy means you would be surprised. It does not mean blind adherence to an outdated dogma, the best definition is quoted here:
“The presentation of opinions, theories, or advice isn’t philosophy, no matter what the content. Doing philosophy involves thinking about things in a certain (rigorous, questioning) way, offering arguments for one’s ideas, meeting arguments against them, and being prepared to change one’s mind.”
That says it all.
Keep using philosophy the way it was meant to be used Hank. Well Done!
I’d like to restate that this is not about individuals only the ideas themselves and the unwillingness to have them tested. This quite simply is the result of a professional culture which has allowed itself to continue basing itself on an idea which only has two positions. You either accept vitalism or you don’t. If you are naive of scientific methodology (the result of educational culture and conditioning) then like a person brought up in a fundamentalist church you simply wont see the wood from the trees. As scientist Michael Shermer (once a born again christian) remarked, when you are in it its all completely coherent. You can’t blame junior colleagues who ask “don’t you beleive?!” They’ve been conditioned. You can’t blame moderates who shrug in a ‘what can I do’ way. After all many think if we drop what we do we will just be back pain Drs. I understand. Thats a simplistic and one dimensional appraisal of what we do. The specialist conservative diagnosis and management etc definition is already what we are IDd as, definable and not restricted to sore backs. I think if it was explained well most chiros would be quite compelled by the categorisation. No profession actually ‘owns’ it. Ironically the standard of education is high (NSW and VIC) but perhaps this will illustrate what I mean. Only once did the professor of anatomy scold us. One day when we began on the ANS she said “this is the only problem i have with you (us). Your anatomy simply doesn’t exist”. She was of course referring to the ubiquitous ‘spine simulator’ which shows a fictitious direct pathway between spinal somatosensory and visceral function. Ie push this vertebra and you will directly influence x organ. Well if you accept that you dont know neurology. But we were taught so much neurology. What’s going on?!
It comes back to the culture. Ignorance is so ingrained that not only do we spout beleifs as fact but we can actually ignore anatomical fact. ‘Patients wouldn’t understand’, shrug, nasty look. As if any excuse is ok. We wouldn’t accept that standard from anyone else. Why ourselves? Don’t we care? It’s so sad because the spine is directly controlled by what is called midline neurology. As a result people do come to us not only with spine symptoms but disturbed balance, functional movement disorders and plenty more which often respond well. We even pick up serious cases if we’re bothered to check. Its rare but it’s our duty of care. However because many accept dogma they cannot read research and interpret findings, cannot apply that to clinical matters. What happens? We continue to see only 8% and we dont get to manage difficult cases. Why? The average chiro can’t and many wont communicate with the various medical professionals in the same language so they don’t refer. Ive brought this up but so indoctrinated are we that we will sooner stay marginalised than learn to work as a team. In the end the public (who we say we want to help) never see us. How many do we help then?! Back to 8%. Back to the margin. Back to some made up technique and practice building. The public loses.
So really most problems issue from the fundamental problem of foundation. The ‘straights’ are correct that if you set your philosophy all else naturally follows. Unfortunately that basis is a religion and you cannot under any circumstances get anywhere if you already beleive you have the answer. So back to science and its methodology – the honesty machine – we humans are inherently easily fooled, we love a magic trick, same goes for all people and professions which is why NOTHING will change unless we accept that the profession subjugate itself to science and allow critical thinking and debate. We need to listen to the likes of researcher Heidi Haavik and she needs to stop talking about vitalism (with Dr Weiner and Bruce Lipton (omg what a shame, what a loss of a scientist)). Then we’d get somewhere.
Yes I heard about the CEO. I didn’t know what had happened and I still don’t.
Well Said! Agree 100%!
Just wondering if you’ve ever examined this site?
My brief assessment of it has my woo alarms maxing out. It looks like vitalism once more. Your opinion?
Look up Dr Michael Shermer and his balony detection kit on youtube. You can make your own choice. Let us know what you think.
James Chestnut Chiropractor FACEBOOK PAGE:
When you have scientific evidence pound the evidence.
If you lack evidence but have credentials pound your credentials.
If you cannot fool people to accept credentials as scientific evidence pound your credentials as authority.
If neither your credentials nor authority are accepted as scientific evidence pound science in general.
When all this fails pound emotion and fear.
When this fails pound the table.
When people wise up to the façade and misinformation and abuse of authority, credentials, emotion and fear you are eventually going to have to pound the pavement.
Dear flu shot advocates. POUND THE PAVEMENT!
Yep. And the ASRF just had the guy here presenting seminars to Australian chiropractors.
Yep, we tried to stop this guy as well or at least stop people being able to gain CPD (education credits). If we can halt that these things would fade…sigh. If you can’t get credits it lowers the appeal. Conference in Sydney on the weekend – a SPINE collaboration with ‘normal’ people. What a joy.
I’m applying for academic placement here in Brisbane and Sydney. Long term I’d like to go into epidemiology. It’s where the big health care decisions are being generated.
Hi Hank, thanks for the wonderful work you do exposing quack Chiropractors. What I’m more alarmed by, is pro anti-vaccination Doulas. These doulas are entering hospitals and birthing rooms as birth aids while promoting anti-vaccination choices, and horrifyingly putting newborns and others at risk because they are not vaccinated and/or neither are their children. Do you know if there is a medical association monitoring them? or are they self regulated?
Gidday. I think the first thing to do is identify individuals. From there we can ascertain which hospitals and health services they are entering. After that we can contact the hospitals seeking that they are aware that unvaccinated health workers are entering the workplaces, most likely against policy. If we have no luck we can take it to ministers.
You can email me on reasonablehank at gmail dot com if you have any individuals in mind.
Thank you for keeping the profession on its toes, so to speak. I am a chiropractor who subscribes to the philosophies of COCA, multimodal therapy, am pro-vaccines, and strive to be an evidence based practitioner. In my view, the chiropractic profession shoots itself in the foot by allowing all sorts of treatment to be used under the chiropractic umbrella. We provide adjustments to joints which aren’t moving the way they should, and we are taught to provide physical therapeutic modalities (TENS, trigger point therapy, dry needling in some cases, etc.) where indicated, in order to treat painful structures. Outside of these evidence based approaches which are taught at chiropractic universities, other treatment modes should be required to distinguish themselves from chiropractic. If you do neuro-emotional technique (NET), then you should have to advertise your business as “Chiropractic AND NET”, not just chiropractic. There’s a massive number of people I have talked to who have said “I went to a chiropractor, and they tapped on my head” or some other bogus voodoo, and thereby have the impression that these “treatments” are part of the chiropractic paradigm, and in my opinion, this mars or otherwise clouds the profession as a whole. We are not witch doctors! The Manga report (amongst others) proved chiropractic to be a safe and effective treatment paradigm, why are we allowing other weird pseudoscience to besmirch this genuine research.
Thanks again for being a voice of reason, hopefully you’ll have something good to report from myself and other practitioners who employ reasonable thought.
A Sane Chiropractor
Thanks Aaron. Slowly but surely moderate chiros are finding their voices; but, until the CBA starts rejecting unfounded modalities, and taking complaints and concerns more seriously, the progress will be even slower.
Haha! The endless loop of irony on this page is one of the most amusing things I have seen in a while. You are publishing my comment calling you out on your cowardice……. which in itself is an act of cowardice!
And apparently I’m an internet warrior? lol Again, the irony……..
Keep it up, Mr Reasonable! You make my day sometimes.
Hi there Mr O’Hehir! I’ve updates your details in the post, just so everyone knows your real name. Cheers, big ears.
Oh, Luke E Lawless…if you don’t want to be published…then…don’t publish!
It’s pleasant when one who uses many sock puppets reveals one. It typically reveals the psychology behind the choice of other sock puppet names.
Reasonablehank is indeed reasonable, you are not.
But then, neither am I, as I’ve personally dealt with real terrorists, as well as experienced the wrenching sorry of villages suffering from both polio and measles striking at the same time.
To you, reasonable is seeing 40% of a town or city’s children die.
Reasonable people do not find that so reasonable.
I’m fortunate in that I’ve retired from that unreasonable business, for others who were unreasonable found a hellfire missile flying in the window or a JDAM guided bomb crashing through the roof into the living room.
But, I’m still unreasonable and will track the remainder of your sock puppets, now that you’ve proved an additional data point for the logic to peruse.
For, where you use sock puppets and effort, I use robots and spiders.
Greatest effect for the least effort and maximal impact. 🙂
Now, excuse me, while I reprogram a few of my robots and spiders.
Thank you for your cooperation!
I noted your posts that were properly removed. You make the claim that reasonablehank is stalking you, while you were the one to blather on his blog.
I believe that you have the notion of stalking turned around in what suffices you for a brain turned 180 degrees about.
I think I’ll have a chat with a few buddies, I’m certain that they can also provide monitoring resources via FVEY.
Pingback: Beware the violent antis – Lismore Mayor physically assaulted | reasonablehank
Pingback: Homeopathy honesty – consumer protection
Here is a story that needs your attention, it seems that certain forces in the military are pushing back against needed drugs:
Reasonable Hank..You have just been reported as form of harrassment and bullying…remove innocent peoples tags for liking posts, your the lowest of the low…There is no proof or evidence in liking a post on facebook, get a grip on reality! Vaccinations are personal choice, and i have experienced vaccine damage to support my beliefs and choices. Freedom of choice, my body my choice!
I’m reporting you for duckface with intent.
As the hip young things say “what does this even mean”, apart from an object lesson in non apostrafication(tm)?
“…remove innocent peoples tags for liking posts, your the lowest of the low”
The unreasonable abuse you cop for daring to support the evidence based scientific method is just crazy. For this unhinged group of pre-Copernican obscurantists to devote so much anger and hate at you I guess brings it’s own small measure of reward but really for the abuse you cop and the time you spend on this you really deserve more than just personal satisfaction as a reward.
Have you considered starting a fund me page, or even something I have seen on some US blogs, creating a Donate Now button on the home page so that people who support your important work have a chance to financially support your efforts?
Keep up the good and important work of exposing, not just junk science, but more importantly the terrifying lack of curiosity and aversion to evidence that is such a feature of the modern unhinged conservative hivemind
Thanks so much. I hadn’t considered any funding. I don’t know how my conscious would sit with that one.I’d need to think.
It was just a thought
Did you get a chance to consider my question on acupuncture by any chance?
Ignore my question re acupuncture, I just saw you did answer it already
A good source for your studies: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,19&q=acupuncture+efficacy
Google Scholar is great and finding real research.
Be warned, some studies are behind pay walls.
Pingback: REASONABLE HANK: THE WORST TROLL IN AUSTRALIA | The Crazz Files